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Tyce · Oct 01, 2008, 02:59 AM // 02:59

Would this be a good W/R build? For some kind of PvP
I know its not cookiecutter but here it is

Poisonous Bite
Charm Animal
Endure Pain
Gash
Hamstring
Sever Artery
Gladiator's Defense {Elite}
Distracting Blow

Its a condition warrior with a meat shield?

Luminarus · Oct 01, 2008, 03:06 AM // 03:06

You have a pet with no rez, u have hamstring and you have endure pain, you have glads defence, you have no IAS...

Short answer... no.
Long answer... Hell NO

lordheinous · Oct 01, 2008, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

You have a pet with no rez, u have hamstring and you have endure pain, you have glads defence, you have no IAS...

Short answer... no.
Long answer... Hell NO

I respectfully have to disagree, it DOES have it's niche usage....trolling in RA

_Nihilist_ · Oct 01, 2008, 05:32 AM // 05:32

Gladiator's Defense - they will quickly leave you alone, or wand/spear/nuke you to death

Pet - when they kill it, your skills are disabled for a few seconds, have fun with auto-attack

Endure Pain - if you are lucky enough to have a Monk on your team (if you brought one, don't count on getting a Monkey in RA) they won't know when Endure is going to wear off, meaning you are going to take a HUGE spike that they are not prepared to heal

read the below (conmpletely fabricated) quote for your answer:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW lolcat

"Dis bild iz r knot meetin wif mah aproofalz"

Pour One For Jose · Oct 01, 2008, 05:33 AM // 05:33

needs moar frenzy and heal sig, go swap out gladiators defense for mending.

**Marty Silverblade** · Oct 01, 2008, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by Tyce

Would this be a good W/R build? For some kind of PvP

You're missing the basics and not understanding PvP. This means no.

Poisonous Bite - No pet rez? Without it you're risking a permanent loss of two skills (pet dies, PB and CA are doing nothing).
Charm Animal - Pet Wars are bad in general because you don't have the attributes, energy, or skill slots to make it worthwhile. Think of it like Swordsmanship and Axe Mastery, you dedicate yourself to one of them as a primary source of damage, you don't take both. Pets don't work as an 'on the side' bonus.
Endure Pain - It's the monks job to take care of you. This can cause confusion aswell.
Sever Artery - Drop this and Glad's Defence for Cripslash, this way you can take something else aswell. It's called bar compression. Warrior's need it.
Gash - Deep Wound is good. However, once you apply Deep Wound, you either kill the target or you don't. You don't have anything to follow it up with, so the result is always not.
Hamstring - Cripple is good, the aforementioned Cripslash is better.
Gladiator's Defense {Elite} - Whats the plan when everyone ignores you (i.e, after they see you use it the first time)?
Distracting Blow - Interrupts are good.

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Its a condition warrior with a meat shield?

Think of it this way: if you're not killing things, what good are you to your team? Degen doesn't kill things (deep wound and cripple do), and meat shields are pointless.

You're also missing Frenzy and Rush. No Frenzy and Rush, bad bar.

Luminarus · Oct 01, 2008, 06:15 AM // 06:15

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Originally Posted by lordheinous

I respectfully have to disagree, it DOES have it's niche usage....trolling in RA

With respect, trolling involves being able to successfully tank many foes for along time/awhile. All this does is mediocre damage, and die. If you want to troll RA, take defy pain, lions comfort,mending, watchful spirit, and sit there laughing.

Squishy ftw · Oct 01, 2008, 08:04 AM // 08:04

Tyce, the point of a warrior is to kill shit.
Now, is your build focused on doing so? No..indeed it isn't.

Most decent warrior builds look something like this:
<elite attack skill>
<attack skill>
<attack skill>
<attack skill>
<IAS>
<IMS/cancel stance>
<utility>
<res>

Something you'll always want aswel is deep wound(you had this already, good). It's awesome. Make sure you can apply it.

Tyce · Oct 02, 2008, 01:54 AM // 01:54

K well thanks for the positive feed back >.<
I don't want the warrior everyone else is playing. Sure I know your going to say "then no one will want you in their party" "have fun dieing" "blah blah blah" I don't care.. If it can stand up to anything, or suprise someone, then I think its a good build.

Marty wins the gold in best reply..

ALF71BE · Oct 02, 2008, 02:08 AM // 02:08

/facepalm.

People like you make me dishonorable in RA.

It's not about "running the war everyone is". It's about using a warrior as how it was intended to be used, at least if you want any chance of getting better at the game (from other player's perspective, which is important in PvP). Wars are for damage and pressure.

I'll give you a 4/10 for at least putting Deep Wound in there.

And regarding your "meat shield"... Nobody gives a shit about meat shields in PvP, wether them be minions or pets. Nobody is neither stupid to get stuck in a pet blocking it's way.

Btw you asked if it was good, and we tell you it's not. If you don't care, why post at all? And while you're giving the gold medal to Marty, stop by and read his sticky.

Tyce · Oct 02, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

A simple No would sufice.. Not This warrior is shit...

_Nihilist_ · Oct 02, 2008, 03:21 AM // 03:21

Tyce,

If the answers here are a bit too acidic, understand that when you put anything out in the forums, you have to be prepared with some thick skin to take the resulting criticism.

Some of the criticism will be constructive, some will not. To be completely fair, I used to run some off the wall builds in RA; they just don't work. If you can get a gimmick to win, then it's going to be just that, a gimmick. It's either going to be copied like mad, or countered and forgotten.

Yes, Marty does get props, but he also wrote the Stickied thread for the Warrior Forum. What he said isn't any less or more than you will find in said thread, which has been up for some time.

All of that being said, good luck finding a different build that does what Warriors do best.

**Marty Silverblade** · Oct 02, 2008, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by Tyce

I don't want the warrior everyone else is playing.

Heres your problem. Everyone else (this includes top 10 guilds in GvG) is running Warrior bars that are built to smash anything that gets in the way, whether it's by spiking, hammer chains, or whatever. The final product is always designed to be 'target ends up dead'. If you don't want to play these builds, what do you plan to do, exactly? The build you provided was just an inefficient, watered down version of something that would kill, and so it doesn't really have a clear purpose. Find a purpose, then get a build that fulfils that.

PS: Watch Top 10 guilds in Observer mode. See them kill things.

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Sure I know your going to say "then no one will want you in their party" "have fun dieing" "blah blah blah" I don't care..

Ok, you asked if it was a good build and just to let us know you couldn't care less? We're improving the build, that's what we do.

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If it can stand up to anything, or suprise someone, then I think its a good build.

Ok, there are hundreds of builds out there just like this one that lack a meaningful purpose and don't acheive anything. If those builds satisfy you, then run those. Everyone else runs builds that kill people, thus winning. Winning > Playing around with concepts.

If you want to play around with pet wars and other concepts, do it in PvE where it doesn't matter what you're running. PvP is serious business.

PS: The build you posted wouldn't stand up to anything or surprise someone.

Rhamia Darigaz · Oct 02, 2008, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Tyce

A simple No would sufice.. Not This warrior is shit...

if you'd mentioned that you prefer sugar coated responses to the truth in your original post you may have gotten replies that made you feel more warm and fuzzy inside.

**Marty Silverblade** · Oct 02, 2008, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

if you'd mentioned that you prefer sugar coated responses to the truth in your original post you may have gotten replies that made you feel more warm and fuzzy inside.

Theres a distinct difference between 'this build is shit' and actually helping people.

Tyce · Oct 03, 2008, 01:36 AM // 01:36

Thank you marty. I'm just trying to have fun. Considering my lack of skills, (IRL and number in game) I'm working with what I got and its fun...

_Nihilist_ · Oct 04, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

Good job, Tyce! Use some of the Balthazar Faction you get from PvP and unlock skills that you think would be useful, then start trying new stuff out! Remember, the basic Warrior bar template is a very EASY way to see if your skill choices are going to be efficient. Use it!

Above all, have fun. Every once in a while, I get the urge to play an Echo+Mending+Healing Breeze Warrior in RA for kicks. I lol when the other team lol's. The fury of regen is just something that I can't get over when I have a bad day at the job. Healing Wammo RA fun. It's priceless. Pointless, useless, inefficient, but priceless nonetheless.

Tyce · Oct 04, 2008, 04:29 AM // 04:29

EXACTLY! My new best friend :P